Posted Thu Jun 06, 2013 09:33 AM
Posted Sat Jun 08, 2013 03:55 AM
We are distraught at how our freedoms are deteriorating. President Obama showed us during his first four years he is an extreme liberal (I say he showed me he is all but a fascist). We re-elected him and he shows us he believes the central power (Fed Govt) is free to do whatever it chooses? Should we be surprised?
One of the happiest days of my life was President Obama winning the presidency the first time. It was for me a series of sad days during those first four years when President Obama showed his true colors and acted like some cheap third world despot. As was said so many years ago in the comic strip Pogo, "We have met the enemy and he is us."
Posted Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:17 PM
There is nothing worrisome going on—nothing more worrisome than that which has been going on for far longer than before Obama began his first term. At least we've got someone in the White House that can be trusted with the powers bestowed upon the office of the Presidency.
Many people here should re-frame their ideas, comments, opinions—accusations—here in a broader "American" context, and stop talking as if these issues are all "Obama" issues.
Yes....oh yes...we should all settle for shit sandwiches. Thanks for the double decker HBM!
Posted Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:55 PM
Famous last words. Take a look at 1920's and 1930's Europe. People who thought like you said the same thing.
I agree that this "worrisome" (illegal) stuff was going on before Obama. But if you want to be intellectually honest, things like PRISM, Patriot Act, drone use, etc, has expanded exponentially under Obama. It seems that you're okay with it if it's your guy doing it.
Not really...you see, these powers aren't bestowed upon the office of the President. The President isn't supposed to have the power to authorize the assination of a U.S. citizen. The president wasn't supposed to have the power to ignore the 4th Amendment. The president wasn't supposed to have the citizens detained, without charge, and without trial, indefinitely. The proof that Obama cannot be trusted (just like Bush before him) with the powers of the presidency is that he's taking powers he was not given. That's why Bill of Rights, Constitution, etc, etc.
Oh,...so many people here, but not including you.
I 100% agree that this isn't "Obama". This is endemic. It's just how America works. If Bush was president, the IRS was targeting liberal activist groups, and you was put on a list...you'd be screaming "fascism, fascism!". But since it's a guy you like that's doing it, and it's being done to your political opponents, you say "we can trust him!". Just like how conservatives were all "hey, we're at war!" when Bush rolls out the Patriot Act while libs were trying to hang it around Bush's neck. Some guy comes to the podium and says he's going to slow the rise of oceans....and half of America will vote for that. It's retarded.
Look, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm not going to run around and insist everyone think differently because the president I support is obviously and unabashedly breaking the law. I'm not demanding that people change their thinking so that I can continue to ignore something and not be faced with inconvenient truths. (Look up Doublethink) I'm not going to ask others to engage in this mental gymnastics exercise of Cognitive Dissonance so that I can continue to avoid having to call a spade a spade.
Maybe, Hollowbodyman, just maybe, this is the beginning of a glorious new society in which nothing happens due to the increasingly pervasive control of the State. There's always odds that can happen. But this idea isn't new. What our government is doing has been done many, many times before. And the state's reasons for doing it, are the same all throughout history. It always ends the same. That which we pay for using our freedom as currency wont be attained, and there are no refunds.
Obama says his spy program is a "trade-off for security"....but we were warned about exact this very thing, people.
This post has been edited by ilyushin: Sun Jun 09, 2013 01:15 PM
Posted Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:50 AM
We live in a time where for most people (like you), "right" and "wrong" is merely determined by who is doing it. You have no problem with the guy you voted for shredding the constitution. But if the guy you voted against does it, then it's a problem.
Seems I was on to something: