Please Read This, It applies to 80% of us.
Posted Thu Feb 19, 2009 01:44 AM
What's this about?
Back in the 80s, an STD was called VD, and "Herpes" was the new and untreatable horrible sex disease. Honestly, I didn't know anything about sexual diseases other than, "You don't want one!"
Lots of rumors went around that your dick might fall off if you got herpes, ya know, stupid stuff like that. Nobody knew about AIDS or HIV around where I grew up, but still, everone knew that getting VD or an STD sucked.
I found a woman and married her when I was 20. She had just turned 18. We had a threesome twice in one week back 23+ years ago. It was with a the same guy twice that week. I asked that we did it for her, just in case she wanted to try it out. She hated it both times and begged me to NEVER let it happen again. Since then, we have been 100% monogamous. (Meaning, we never cheated or had sex with anyone else ever again.) That's 23+ years we have not had sex with anyone other than each other...
A few days ago, we found out from my wife's GYNO that she and I have HPV! That is the Human Papilloma Virus. Yes, it is an STD. Below is a direct copy and paste from an official HPV site.
"It is estimated that 80 percent of all women – and 50 percent of men and women combined – will get one or more types of "genital" HPV at some point in their lives."
I cannot put a link here because of this site's rules and policies. BUT go research it ASAP if you care about yourself and your lover/s.
Now, think about it, here we are, my wife and I are completely monogamous, and her gyno tells us, TADAH! You have an STD!
For 20+ years, I have wanted to do some fun and exciting things with other people after my wife and I were finished raising our children enough that they moved out and become adults themselves. It happened earlier this month, and our youngest moved away, and now, we find out that we can spread an STD?
I appologize for coming here drunk the past couple times. I have no doubt that I what I've written while drunk looks crazy at best.
Our (My wife and I) original idea of coming here was to help those younger and less experienced to learn that while raw sex is beyond great: Making love is an art that makes you feel so complete that words cannot explain. Making love isn't all about penetration, domination, or just getting off. Making love is something that includes your soul, and you can make love antime with anyone who you share that bond with.
If we can both overcome the fact that yes, we have an STD, but we can share wisdom like we once hoped to do. I know we can give advice that will make a good sex life - great or better.
Sexually, well, go read about the Human Papilloma Virus. There's an 80% chance you'll need to know, just like the 23+ year monogamous couple who's writing this. We have to learn how to give ourselves without spreading an STD. Or can that be?
Please, add your comments and keep this thread alive for everyone coming of age and everyone else you know.
Posted Thu Feb 19, 2009 02:05 AM
HPV is very common and you will find that any woman who has had an abnormal pap smear has HPV. There are no side effects except some men can get tiny little warts on their penis's.... they look like little pimples and often go unnoticed and un treated...
The sad and shocking thing about the HPV virus is that it gives women cervical cancer and if it it not treated, like most cancers you may die from it....
My Gyno told me men carry it and women die from it....he said that 90% of the female population have it and the other 10% are virgins. The best way to prevent the spread of any STI is to have a STI screening with any new couple and if you are swinging to always use protection and wash and sterilise any sex t.oys.
I'm sure your wife will be having regular pap smears to ensure that none of her cervical cells change.
Posted Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:19 AM
Having had had sex with 1 person, i was careful not to point the finger though. She was tested and came back negative.
So for 1 week I consumed the most vicious antibiotic i know to exist. I threw up every morning and night for a week. I felt fine! no symptoms or strange things to think i'd have an STi.
I'm actually convinced that I didn't have the infection, i think it was an erred test result. How could 1) i not have a source and 2) not have passed it to my s/o.. If i was born with it, it would have destroyed my reproductive system, going untreated for 18 years... so i'm at a loss with that one.
go figure, 20+ years of sex with one person and ya still get it. just goes to show you, you never ever know. i'll play safe.. maybe i'll reconsider the 3 some until we know the 3rd person well enough to impose the question
Posted Thu Feb 19, 2009 02:43 PM
Posted Thu Feb 19, 2009 04:48 PM
Not to sound paranoid, but in Canada, this is consider a public health matter, so automatic and free vaccination for all young women like if it was measels. Now, however, there have been cases of young men getting oral cancer, and the gov't is now possibly going to provide vaccination for all young people. Haven't seen it in the news just yet.
The vaccine is not universal in the sense that there are over a hundred types of HPV, and it does not provide protection for every single type... besides, and this is just my own guess, there still might be a few unknown types out there that have yet to make their entrace in the books.
Health Canada link: http://www.hc-sc.gc....hpv-vph-eng.php
Posted Thu Feb 19, 2009 05:19 PM
There is a vaccine but it only protects against a few different strains of the virus. There are over 100 different kind. They are either the kind that cause cervical cancer or the kind that cause warts. I have the latter. I broke out and had them burned off with acid and haven't had a sign of them since.
There is no cure for it but the virus can lay dormant so that it cannot be spread to others. You just have to be careful cause you can't ever really know if it's truly gone dormant or not. In the OPs case he obviously had it for years, no telling when he got it. In Men there is no testing for it. There are so many male carries out there that have no way of knowing they have the virus until the either break out or give it to a partner.
I'm only 20 and I now have to inform every partner I have in the future that I have this virus and that they are at risk on contracting it. It's terrible but it could also be so much worse.
Posted Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:29 PM
That is what HPV is from...HPV is from warts and a lot more people have it than they realize.
Most cases come from hands to genitals.
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Posted Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:24 PM
Thanks MR and MRS for coming forward to open this up for talking.
Posted Sat Feb 21, 2009 01:32 AM
I lied about one thing, we found out she had it last year.
Actually, my wife and I found this out in May of 2008 that not only does my wonderful wife have this sexually transmitted disease, but so do I.
When we met, my wife was ... well, everyone wanted her, but she wouldn't put out. I was a guy that never once asked any girl on a date, and yet always had several girlfriends. I couldn't help but think, I gave her an STD...even though I never cheated in 22+ years.
On June 23rd, 2008, my wife had to have a LEEP surgery. (LINK.......... http://womenshealth....epprocedure.htm.)
This unseemingly important disease meant that my wife had to have a surgery that meant removing part of her cervix. The entire ring around it plus a little more on the top side had to be removed. If she had not had the papsmear exam - she could have died!
Guys/men; that means cancer of the vagina for those of you who need it spelled out.
If this surgery had not been done, it would have become cancer and she would have lost her life.
It turns out that if i had not thrown a fit about her getting the papsmear, she would be closer to death right now.
Doctors warn that women need yearly papsmears no later than the age of 40. Guys need a prostate exam at the age of 40 as well.
When you turn 30, women, I know, it hurts, but please get the papsmear for you and for us men or women in your lives who want to see you healthy. GUYS, it means some doctor is going to finger your ass once a year. Try to forget being the alpha male for a few so you don't die on her or him...ok?
We got the news this week that she no longer has an un-normal/abnormal papsmear. That means her surgery worked. She isn't going to DIE over a part of our body we think of as sexual only.
I am sorry I lied at first, but if I had not, all we might have gotten is sympathy...we don't want that at all.
Posted Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:28 AM
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Posted Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:05 PM
It is a virus that stays dormant and is picked up by a smear when it is in it's active stage... You may have it for 20yrs before it becomes active.... which is how it is spread (as people have no idea that they have it)
from this link http://access.health...VirusHpv_fs.asp
HPV infection is very common. Sometimes HPV infection causes visible warts. Many people who have been exposed to the virus do not develop visible warts because their immune system keeps the virus under control.
Other people develop genital warts after exposure to HPV. This does not necessarily mean the person was infected recently. The infection may have occurred some time in the past.
Warts are more troublesome and harder to treat in a person with an impaired immune system.
HPV is diagnosed by the presence of warts. You may have HPV infection and not be aware of this, as you may never develop warts. Some warts may be difficult to see as they occur inside the vagina, cervix, or anal canal.
Certain types of the HPV are associated with changes in the cells of the cervix (neck of the womb) which can be detected on pap smears. These changes have the potential to become cancer of the cervix if they are not treated, but in the majority of women these changes recover completely without treatment, and never lead to cancer. However, these changes need to be monitored and women therefore should have regular Pap smears. As mentioned, even if you have never had a wart in your genital area, this does not mean that you have not been exposed to HPV. Sometimes HPV is detected on pap smears.
HPV is spread through direct skin to skin contact with a person infected with HPV. This occurs most commonly through sexual contact. HPV may be passed from person to person where there is skin to skin contact of the genital area. This can occur even when there are no visible warts. This explains why genital HPV infection spreads easily among sexually active people. HPV may also be passed from mother to baby during labour and birth. The virus can live in the skin for many years and during that time can be passed on through sexual contact.
Warts that occur elsewhere on the body are caused by different types of HPV. Contact with these warts does not seem to cause genital warts.
If you think you have warts or have been exposed to genital warts, or, if you are worried about HPV infection, see your doctor or sexual health clinic for a check up. In most cases, the presence of warts can be confirmed by checking the genital area. HPV infection may be present without any signs. There is currently no blood test or swab test available to detect HPV infection.
There is no "cure" for HPV infection, although in many people warts and HPV infection go away on their own without any treatment. Various treatments are available that may be useful if warts are unsightly or causing discomfort. Changes in the cells of the cervix caused by HPV infection can also be treated.
Some people will feel upset about having HPV or genital warts. Often people feel anger toward their sexual partner, even though it is usually not possible to know exactly when or from whom the HPV was spread. A diagnosis of genital warts does not necessarily indicate that your partner has had another partner recently.
Some types of HPV infection can be prevented by new vaccines which have been registered for use in Australia.
One of the vaccines licensed for use in girls and young women aged 9 to 26 years of age and boys aged 9 to 15 years of age, can also prevent HPV infection that causes genital warts.
The National HPV Vaccination Program provides free vaccination for young women aged between 12 to 26 years to protect against HPV. For information about the program, if you are eligible and where you can be immunised see the National HPV Vaccination Program website or Queensland Health's school-based vaccination program website.
The use of condoms and or dental dams for all sexual contact can also reduce the transmission of HPV.
HPV and Cervical Cancer
All women who have ever had sexual contact should commence having Pap smears between the ages of 18 - 20, or within two years after first sexual contact, whichever is later. This includes male to female and female to female contact. Thereafter Pap smears are routinely done every two years, or more frequently if any abnormalities are detected. The new vaccines aim to protect women against infection with two types of HPV that are associated with 70% of cases of cervical cancer. This means that the vaccine will not prevent all types of HPV that cause cervical cancer, nor can it "cure" an HPV infection if it has previously been acquired. A regular Pap smear every 2 years is the most effective way of detecting cervical cell abnormalities, which may develop into cancer if left untreated.
Posted Tue Feb 24, 2009 01:44 AM