Truly, it doesn't matter than capitalism (and proto-capitalism) has been around since before the Roman empire. Nor does it matter that no capitalist nation single-handedly ever collapse economically. And it doesn't even matter that the people in the United States that fall under the category of "poor" or living under the poverty threshold, according to the Census Bureau, have the following statistics:
46% of families categorized as poor by the government own their own hom
67% of families categorized as poor by the government have more than two rooms per person
The Average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens,...more than Germans, Swedes,.....this is comparing poor Americans' living space vs. AVERAGE Europeans' livings space, NOT poor Europeans...
Nearly 3/4 of "poor" households in the United States own a car, truck, or SUV. 30% of them own two or more.
62% of them have cable or satellite TV.
None of this matters. Not one word of it. True, false, it's irrelevant to those who adhere with an endeavor that has been attempted in China, Russia, Cuba, North Korea, Poland, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Romania, legions of smaller S.S.R. states...all the same thing. The confiscation of wealth and resources of the rich, and distribution to the masses. I never saw Americans trying to climb the Berlin wall trying to get into E. Germany. I never saw Americans grab a floatable wooden door and brave shark-infested waters to get to Cuba and it's excellent health care system.
Many of my fellow SF members are highly sympathetic, or perhaps emphatically supportive, of the socialist cause. If I'm being honest, I have to concede that those who think the wealthy are not entitled to their wealth, yet think they themselves somehow are, are going to win in the end. America has not been capitalist since the New Deal. But there are remnants of capitalism such as property rights, inheritance, etc. These are all going away. There will inevitably be real confiscation of wealth and redistribution to the poor, just as has happened in other nations....the ones I listed above.
If you, even those of you who are poor, truly think that the standards of living for anyone, EVEN THE POOR, will go up under such a system...history is decidedly not on your side. You will attain some of your aspirations : The dissoncance caused by your envy of the rich will subside because they will no longer have their decadent life styles and beautiful homes, cars, etc. They will be as you. But if you live in a nation where you will risk your life to get the hell out, is that a trade you wouldn't regret making?
Ever wonder why there's illegal immigration here? Just sayin'. Why did we become a melting pot in the late 1800's and early 1900's, before the New Deal? Just sayin'. It's all said and done. No Republican is going to stop it. No Democrat is going to institute it better than it's been instituted anywhere else around the globe to ultimately fail and collapse.
Reagan crushed the Soviets, but there were no tanks, no missiles, no mushroom clouds hanging over cities. Reagan simply made the Soviets compete economically and industrially, and they collapsed. The Soviets collapsed because of an arms race that the U.S. won while somehow driving Camaros with T-tops, listening to shit like MC Hammer, Guns n' Roses, and Nine Inch Nails, watching movies like Basic Instinct and Hunt for Red October. Basically, with one hand tied behind our back...but capitalism failed, right?
...now legions of idiots have descended on our cities railing against profit, capitalism, etc. with their FUCKING iPHONES, ON TWITTER AND FACEBOOK (you fucktards know facebook's creator, Mark Zuckerberg, is the world's youngest BILLIONAIRE, RIGHT?) using the very things that were brought to them by profit, capitalism, etc, to bring about it's demise.
This is not to argue with you, because your economic perspective will ultimately prevail. The are more non-rich than there are rich. This is inevitable, the many will take from the few under a bull shit moral premise about "hoarding wealth" when in fact they themselves feel more entitled to other people's money....they protested for it, so they deserve it. No, these Occupiers are every bit as greedy as Wall St. types.
They feel entitled to money they didn't earn. If they weren't as greedy as the Wall St. types, if they didn't feel entitled to others' money that they didn't earn, they wouldn't be able to protest because they'd be at work or looking for jobs. But they're not. They're demanding someone else's money be taken and distributed among............them.
Good bye bathwater. Good bye baby.
This post has been edited by ilyushin79: Mon Oct 17, 2011 07:34 PM